What are the best ways to protect your health while traveling? Watch and listen to this video interview (above) between Step Sinatra and Billy M. of TRU47 to find out!
Step walks listeners through his complete A-to-Z travel playbook, covering EMF-awareness tips, grounding strategies, healthy flying habits, airport navigation, rental cars, hotels, hydration, and jet lag recovery. It’s a don’t-miss for anyone who loves travel but hates how it can drain your energy.
Here’s a slightly edited version of the transcript:
BM: Ladies and gentlemen, let me please welcome the infamous or famous Step Sinatra, who is a leading voice in the modern grounding movement and a lifelong advocate for natural health and performance. The son of the world-famous, pioneering cardiologist, Dr. Stephen Sinatra, Step has carried forward his father's legacy while forging his own path, bringing grounding to the real world, high-performance environments, especially travel. We're gonna have a great conversation today.
As most of you don't know, he's a lifelong traveler. He's also the driving force behind Grounded.com and the author of Get Grounded, Get Well, with a forward that by Dave Asprey. Step has spent decades exploring how reconnecting with Earth can support recovery, resilience, and overall well-being. As I mentioned, a lifelong traveler, often spending six to nine months a year on the move.
He brings a unique, practical perspective on how to stay healthy, stay energized and resilient in today's high-tech, high-stress travel environments... with simple, hopefully actionable strategies that you can apply wherever you go.
Step sent me this and it touched me: ‘Even though we are aware of the harmful effects of EMF and all the other toxic components of travel, I firmly believe that we can't let that stop us from doing what we love, and never give up dreams to limitations or fears.’
For him, it's travel. It's been a lifelong dream. He keeps doing it no matter what the circumstance is, and for twenty-five years, he's done it well. Hopefully, you'll be able to learn some of his tricks and tips as we go through this today. Step, welcome.”
SS: Excited to be here. Billy, amazing. That was such an incredible intro. Thank you so much! And... this is gonna be great. Fantastic.
BM: It is gonna be great. So I thought the easiest way to get things going was, as I just found out minutes ago, you'll be traveling in a few days off to... Phuket from Athens, Greece, where you are now. And yes, that's not a fake background behind him. It's the real thing. So... why don't we don't we go through... the A to Z of that travel process for you? You know... what you think about, how you pack, how you travel from here to there, and we'll go step by step, and we'll talk about things you think about from hotel, and what do you do before you leave the house, all those different components. So with that, we'll just kick off. So three days… how do you get from here to-- how do you start the whole process?
SS: All right, well, right now I live on the island of Hydra in Greece. You can see it behind me. So I actually have to take a boat, a small little taxi boat, right down from the dock you can't see there, and I go across to that island in the back. It's actually the mainland, and then I drive four hours to Athens Airport. So that's what-
BM: Four hours ...
SS: …my day looks like. Yeah, four hours...on windy, crazy roads, right? So I wanna be prepped and ready to go. It definitely starts, like... getting my rest here, getting my grounding before I go, getting recharged. This is a recharging station, and that's why I moved to Greece, to be grounded most of the time, and get natural sunlight that I'm doing now. Sorry for the glasses, but the glare is just too much if I don't do it.
BM: I love it.
SS: Yeah, so this is my sanctuary, and I think we all have to have that in life…something that gives us… the power so that we can go out and do what we love, work hard, play hard, whatever that may be, and this is my spot. So next two days I'm recharging, I'm in the sea, I'm in the sun, and then I start packing, and I will…set up the supplements that I need, of course. Like, that's a whole procedure.
And then I'll take all the little things that I want for my EMF protection, the hats, the beanies, the scarves, my grounding mat, the pads, whatever I may take. And for this trip, it's kind of interesting. It doesn't usually go along my usual fly direct modus, which we can get into why. I actually have to take a connecting flight. We'll get into each little piece on why, what's beneficial, and how to avoid it.
BM: Love it. I love it. That's exactly what we like. Perfect. And…you're gonna cover every base. So for those of you who don't have to take a boat for part of your first part, I love that because I love being on the water, but you go through... So how long is that boat ride? Is it a simple ferry, or how does that work?
SS: Yeah, it's kinda cool. It's like a private little taxi. They pick you up right here, and it's 25 minutes. But, you've gotta pick the day. So, when I travel, I have to look at the wind and I have to make sure the sea is not too rough. If it's too rough, I have a problem. I gotta take a bigger boat. I mean, this lifestyle comes with a incredible upside, but then again, convenience and other things you have to be patient with.
BM: And then, and even more importantly, you have to really think and plan... when you're gonna travel. So I think a lot of people get the whole concept of traveling, and some of them basically skip to the end, like, "I'm going on vacation," and the travel's just a hassle in between. But I think one of the things we'll be able to go through today is, if you think about it and you plan for it, the travel becomes just part of the overall journey. And if you do it the right way, you can actually end up in a good, positive frame of mind, and hopefully body, right?
SS: That's huge. I'm glad you said that because honestly, a lot of this is mindset. One of the greatest things about travel is you get excited, and that energy alone is powerful energy. So when you're excited, you'll do more effort than you usually do in a normal day. You'll drive the four hours. You'll take the boat ride... you'll do what it takes. You'll get up super early because you're gonna have a great time.
This is what we love to do, and I'm glad you brought that up. Because if you do what you love, the universe has your back, and it just gives you more fuel. And that's why, when people are traveling, getting on planes and rental cars and all this other stuff, hey, it's part of the process, and there's no way to avoid that. And if we can embrace that... make peace with it, because we know that the outcome that week, wherever you're gonna be, is gonna be amazing.
BM: Gotcha. Love that. I love that. So we start off with the first few days. You're getting yourself grounded there. You're getting ready….It's, trip day, you're walking out the door with the bags. Walk us through it.
SS: Yep, walk out the bags, take the boat, get the car, right? And when I get in the car, this car is actually a rental. So what I do, since it's been off for a little while, sitting… I turn the car on, and it defaults back to Wi-Fi on, Bluetooth on always. So you have to go in there, first things first. I always disable that in any vehicle, and I always use a USB-C cord direct to my phone, and that's how I do it. So that's safe. I'm not big on electric cars. They have a lot of mysterious EMF. I've tested these. I would avoid them. Even if I take an Uber and I order an Uber Black and it shows me a Tesla 3 is coming, I cancel it, and I go for an XL. I'm very particular on that.
BM: Yeah.
SS: All of these little tiny things, they will add up in the course of... a big travel section. And you gotta be cognizant of it so you can stay firm and clear and feeling great.
BM: I love it. I love it. And so you drive the rental to Athens. Yep. Do you have to stay over at Athens, or are you gonna go straight to the airport, and then how does it go there?
SS: Yeah, this one I actually have to grab a hotel, stay over night, and then get up, do the plane thing in the morning. There's two flights, so I gotta go through Abu Dhabi. So, the hotels we'll check about later, I'll get into later. But let's get into the airport. So, get to the airport, drop the rental car off, swing in. Always, I check the bag. I'm a big believer in that just because it makes your life easier, right? And I do have a rule in life. I have two rules… I don't like to talk politics and I always fly direct.
BM: There you go. And you're breaking one of them on this trip.
SS: Yeah, and I'll probably break the second one talking to somebody about politics on the plane. So, direct is the way to go for so many reasons. We don't even need to get into it, but it's like... one and done, and you're getting less exposure on every level from another airport to more flying time.
But for this situation, I chose this flight route through Abu Dhabi because of the planes. And this is another factor. I'm a big proponent of flying on a 787, which is the Dreamliner. The reason for that is it's more of a composite fuselage, and it's not an aluminum casing as much as the other 77s or the Airbus. These in the same class. The 21s. I like those.
If... if I'm talking too technical, the best thing to do is you go to AI, you type in, "Hey, what's a great plane to take?" Or, "Where's a great place to sit if I'm concerned about electromagnetics or blah, blah, blah?" Mold is a big, big deal. Just randomly, I'll throw out I don't like flying to the Caribbean sometimes, or I'm going to Colombia, Costa Rica, because a lot of those planes are 783, max 800s, and they are usually very moldy just because of the way that inherent design of that plane was. Now I hope I don't get a call from Boeing. So I can dork out the plane thing.
BM: It's a generation thing. I would've never even thought of it, to be honest with you…Would've never thought of the mold.
SS: It's unbelievable. So the plane thing... I'm particular about. And I will actually research the planes to make sure they're a little bit newer. If I can get a Dreamliner, that's my ideal situation for two other reasons. One, the humidity level is much higher. It's in the range of 20 to 25%. Now, when you're talking a 6 to 14-hour flight, that makes a huge difference on your hydration level and everything in your body. So being hydrated is super important. I like the humidity levels on those planes.
They also calibrate at 6,000 feet for the air cabin pressure. Most planes will actually calibrate to around 8 or 9,000. That just helps overall with less jet lag, your ears. It's a better way to fly. So, I know I went right into the planes.
BM: No, I love that though. I think... I definitely didn't realize that. And you also said the composite... the frame itself, the skin itself is not all aluminum. It's composite material.
SS: Yeah. Because one of the worst things is, and your guys are all talking about this, is like, look, everybody's sitting on that box, this aluminum box. You got 300 people. They're all on their phones at once, all trying to find a signal. You're in an aluminum canister. What do you think the radio signals are doing? They're just-
BM: Bouncing ...
SS: Yeah, you're getting bounced all around. If it's a composite frame, it's going through that much easier, and you're not getting all this noise. So in a way, I know it sounds a little bit nuts, but my mind thinks of that stuff, and honestly, I feel much better. And I just, this is anecdotal, I just felt great taking a 787. And since I take about 50 to 70 flights a year, I used myself as a test case, and that's kinda how it happened.
BM: And you also said it has a positive effect on the jet lag... reducing the jet lag.
SS: Better.
BM: ... because of the higher humidity and obviously the cabin pressure. The cabin pressure...they test it at a lower level?
SS: Right.
BM: ...And that basically means what?
SS: Means just better oxygen. Yeah... it's a little bit more oxygen. So that's another thing. You get really hypoxic on these flights, and especially these long flights. And then you throw in a couple of these planes that are... they're older, they've got some toxic residue flowing through. That's a big deal lately actually. Or they could be moldy depending upon... how the system works. You really take a hit. It's a free radical hit, and you gotta mitigate that in many ways. And you can do it with... your mind is number one. Number two, there's supplements. Number three, and the rest of your little lifestyle choices which add up. Yeah.
BM: So when you're on that plane, are there certain things or practices that you do to try to make that a more enjoyable flight for yourself besides, obviously, booking the flight?
SS: Yeah, absolutely. I always get an aisle seat, number one, even though the window seems more glamorous, just 'cause I wanna get up every 45 minutes to move around. Walk.
BM: Yeah. Keep that blood flow going.
SS: You gotta do it.
BM: I have to do that as well.
SS: Yeah. And... I'll share some of my health history too. I've had sensitive health, and sometimes I have polyuria, which means I have to... go to the bathroom a lot. So that actually gets me going, and I have to do it. And I'm okay with that, but I have to be very cognizant too of... fluid intake. You know, mineral intake is really important, and you just gotta kinda get a mindset of, okay, I'm doing this. It's not great for my health, but I'm gonna make it okay, and I'm gonna do whatever I can do to just feel great afterwards.
BM: Yeah. I love that. We actually just partnered with Mineral Resources International...they're... It's fascinating. We'll talk about that later, but I'm a big believer. You know... once you use it, I can tell you as personal... oh my gosh, it's life-changing how different you feel.
SS: Minerals?
BM: Yeah. The right mix in the body going and you're-
SS: Critical now ...
BM: It's critical these days.
SS: Yeah. You talking electrolytes or... carbon-based minerals?
BM: Mostly electrolytes is what I use personally. But... it's going... every day I learn something new, right? I mean, it's one of those things where you're like, "Oh, I'm into this, I'm into this." I have a conversation with a person like yourself, and you're like, "Try this." And you're like- Yeah ... "Oh, I'm in." Right? And it works, right? I mean... that's the greatest test of everything that we're hoping... for people... This is anecdotal, as you just said. This is what works for you, and we're hoping that it works for other people, as opposed to... giving you the scientific reason why it should work. We're telling you, hey, it works. It makes you feel better. Yeah. You know? So besides the aisle, what other things are important to you?
SS: Real quick on the minerals though, I wanna say one thing, 'cause this is really important. My number one thing is minerals. You know.... especially on the flights. And the reason is, I want people to think about this, we're electrical in nature. This whole body, and as we learned through grounding, is an electrical being. And you need those minerals because that's what helps you create the charge, and they severely get depleted in any sort of oxidative situation. So wanted to get that... alright.
Anyways, back to the plane. Yeah. So of course, I prefer to fly business... if you can at all times. In this flight that I'm taking... to Phuket, I am. That was another part of the deal. I was researching a decent price for business. And the reason is, all ego aside, it's just more comfortable. If you're gonna do it, try to make your life as comfortable as possible.
BM: Correct.
SS: And, then you can spread out. You can take a little pressure off. You're actually spaced apart from all the people on their devices. You're not getting hit. When you're in coach in that middle seat, you're getting crushed, 'cause everybody's on their iPad, their phone, their ear buds... so much.
BM: Yeah.
SS: So I like to be up in front of the plane or way in the back, and I'll tell you why. I don't like to be in the middle of the plane. A lot of people like to be on the wing. I think it's a very bad idea because depending upon the configuration of the aircraft, if those engines, those huge GE engines, they're giving off a massive magnetic field. It's massive. And if you're in the middle of the plane, you can almost feel it. Right? It's resonating. And I believe that's pretty draining, right? Because you are also a magnetic field, your body, and you introduce another field to it that's man-made, I'm not gonna say it's great for you.
BM: Right.. That makes a lot of sense. It's perfectly sen- Right? So, that's really cool.
SS: Yeah, so that's another one.. Sit in the back.
BM: Those are kind of like the main things. Yeah. What about during the flight? Do you hydrate? Do you eat? Do you eat the food that's on the plane? Do you bring your own? What are your thoughts?
SS: Always bring my own food, you know? But then again, at the security they love to put their hands in it, and you're like, "Come on, why do you gotta do that?" You know? And then your food's getting radiated too, but honestly, look, that food they give you in the aircraft, that's no bueno. I mean, that's just kinda like dead energy food. But sometimes it's great. Right? You probably know. You know what I'm talking about.
BM: Yeah. I was relating a story earlier as Step and I were talking before this about how I lived in Japan, in Asia for three years, and I never would eat any food on the plane, and I'd only drink water, and things like that. But one time I happened to get bumped up to international first class, and... I found out that the chair goes fully down to a bed, this is back in the old days, obviously, which I was thrilled about. And I was like, "I'm not gonna eat." And then I heard the person next to me ordering their Chateaubriand, and I immediately came back up and said, "That I can eat. We'll try it. We'll make an exception." There's always an exception to the rule.
SS: There are, right.
BM: The less wasted...
SS: You gotta have fun with it, you know what I mean? You don't wanna feel like you're missing out on the sweetness of life. Because then...you're giving yourself an unstated intention that you're sacrificing something. You don't wanna do that. You also don't wanna be indulgent too much. Like, I definitely pass on alcohol. I don't drink much at all anyways. It's a terrible combination on a plane flight, let's be honest. It's one of the worst things you can do, right Billy?
BM: Absolutely... it's dehydrating you... on a plane that is dehydrating you. We talked about this already. So it's the double whammy, right? When you hear stories of people who get kooky, it's really because... they got the double whammy.
SS: They got whacked. Yeah. So avoid alcohol. Fasting, hands down, is the best thing to do if you can do it on a plane flight. My little simple hacks are I eat a lot of dark chocolate. I do drink coffee. I actually go in excess of coffee. That's very counterintuitive to a lot of people. But I like to stay awake, I like to stay clear, focused on planes, and I want some brain chemistry. So I'll take acetylcholine, citicoline, alpha GPC. I'll do a lot of brain stuff. Lion's mane, I'll do cordyceps for oxygen uptake.
BB: Love it.
SS: CoQ10. Depends what I get. Oh, I brought this for the plane flight. This is a great thing. You know what this is, Billy?
BM: I don't.
SS: Well, a stewardess actually almost wanted to call the captain, 'cause she saw me doing something like this and she was really concerned. Wait. Yeah, right. It's not working. Too bad. But anyways, it's a nebulizer. Okay? So this is...
BM: Wow…Little mini nebulizer. I love it .
SS: .. an amazing hack for a plane. What I do is, I put either some water or you put Quinton water in there. Do you know what Quinton is?
BM: I don't.
Okay. Quinton is something like, I think I brought one to show you. Here it is. Okay, it looks like this, right? This is Quinton, and it's isotonic or hypertonic. It's basically seawater, like behind me.
BM: Got it.
SS: And filled with tons of minerals. It's the amniotic fluid of the earth, let's just say. It's some of the best stuff you can take for yourself. So you can either nebulize this, which you put in here and you blow it. It's really hydrating. It's also cleansing and purifying. Salt is great for the lungs.
BM: Absolutely. Yeah.
SS: And you do that on a plane. I put a couple drops of iodine in there. Never get sick.
BM: Wow.
SS: Never get sick. Okay? And if other people got sick around me, whatever. And another thing, if people are coughing around you and somebody's hacking up a lung or whatever, do not get frightened. You will be fine…
BM: Don't freak out.
SS: Do not freak out, you know?
BM: Especially if you've done the nebulizer and all that, right? ‘Cause that's the key.
SS: Yeah. That's key, and there's iodine. There's another product I like called Glutastat. Made by a good friend of mine, John Lieurance. He has a company called MitoZen. I really like that one. It comes with a lot of essential oils. I do some nasal sprays too. I like to keep that whole area hydrated. Super important.
BM: Yeah, I agree with that.
SS: And then... just get up and move. When you're in the bathroom, spend an extra 30 seconds kinda just moving around, jumping around, kinda getting your lymph flowing like this. Nobody can see you. Who cares? Look in the mirror, do a couple dances, whatever.
BM: I love it.
SS: Yeah, you gotta move!
BM: You gotta do it. You have to move. We were just talking about it, in a previous conversation where they said, "lift the heels." You know, while you're sitting, lift your heels up and down like you're walking, and it helps constantly keep...you moving and the flow going. And I loved it. It was fabulous.
SS: Yeah, it's a qigong thing.
BM: That's right. Okay, so then you... get there. So now are there things you do as soon as you land that help you... get grounded again, and what are the things that you do once you land?
SS: Yeah, that's critical. Okay, great. So once I land, I'm always wearing grounded shoes, by the way. This is another great thing, which a few of these companies have come out with over the past few years. They're fantastic. I'm actually wearing some right now. You can kinda see. These are just... these sandals... they're made by a company called Raum. They have the copper rivet. Rhizal. Sorry, these are Rhizals. And these are great. They're just comfortable, all-natural materials. And I will wear grounded shoes- Kind of counterintuitive in the airport, but as soon as I get out of the airport, they are game on, right?
BM: Right…right.
SS: And anywhere I go... but let's back up. Plane lands, you get off. Right? It's great to get off first too. Cause you're just out. You get off, immediately beeline to the bathroom. Get your hand in the water, in the sink. Because as soon as you touch a body of water, even if it's connected with pipes... especially in these airports, you're gonna be grounded, and you hang out there for about 30 seconds to a minute, and just visualize yourself discharging-
BM: …letting the water... Water go on your hands.
SS: Yeah, and try to touch the faucet. Hopefully it's more metal than plastic, or if there's a metal part in the bottom of the sink, I know it's kinda gross, you just touch it with your finger, you'll be grounded. So that's what you want. Or if you don't wanna do that, you find the water fountain. That's always grounded. I've tested this. So you can touch the water fountain, put a little moisture on your finger, hang out there for a minute or two, and discharge. You just visualize yourself discharging all that... electromagnetic energy that you picked up from that flight. You're good. That's step one.
BM: That's fantastic.
SS: Keep moving. Get your bag, right? Get out of the airport as fast as possible.
BM: Race to open ground!
SS: You do not wanna hang out there, all right? I know people love the lounges and everything else, but I'm telling you, just minimize your time in the airports.
BM: Great point.
SS: And we didn't talk about the security, but it's a given, you know? If you can ... fast track in Europe, do it, you know? Always get the speed thing, move through as fast as you can. I never go through the scanners. Never. I did it one time and I said to myself, "I will never do it again."
BM: So you just tell them, "I want a personal, I want the... hand search," right?
SS: Absolutely. Now, it's not pleasant, it's not fun, and they make it that way. You gotta have the mindset of like, even if this guy is gonna... you just keep moving. But that is not a good thing. And what I say is, and I have a note from a doctor that I had in Germany. I've never had to show it, but...if anybody doesn't... wanna take it, you just say, "My doctor said I need to pass on this." And if they try to talk you into it, you say, "My doctor said I can't do it, I'm sorry." And they'll let you go through. Or, if you're a woman, just say you're pregnant. That's it. But that alone is a big deal. I don't wanna get into the... technicalities of it, but pass on that.
BM: Suffice to say, hard no.
SS: Yeah, it's a hard, that's a solid no. If anything gives me anxiety in the whole process, it's that event right there.
BM: Yeah...I, I feel the same way. I think that might be why we skipped over it, right? It was like, I'm just trying to flush it out of my brain... that it happens. So, we're gonna go around that, and like you say, the quickest, shortest way. Kinda like the same theory with the airport - period. You wanna spend the minimum amount of time there as possible. Just move along.
SS: Exactly. Get in, get out... Yep, it's A to Z.
BM: And then so when you get out of the airport... let's say you get out of the airport in... Are you flying into Bangkok or are you flying straight to Phuket?
SS: No. So I'm connecting through Abu Dhabi, which I told you is... a very rare thing for me ever to do this. But those planes that I wanted lined up and the timing of the flights lined up, and the business class was a great price, better than any- I'd ever seen. So I had to say yes. You see what I mean
So that's... why I did it. So when I land in Abu Dhabi and I have a two-hour, you know... intermission.
BM: Layover.
SS: Yeah, layover. I'm gonna do what I told you. I'm gonna go to the bathroom, do my hands, right? And then maybe I'll hit the lounge and just grab a drink, you know, I mean, like water, like a sparkling water. I forgot to mention that. If you're gonna drink anything on the plane, it's actually really great if you can get Pellegrino. That carbonation is a beneficial thing to the body in terms of oxygen uptake. I know that the science is a little bit conflicting on this, but this is another anecdotal thing that I've just tested with myself. If I drink sparkling water most of the flight, I feel great, and sometimes a lot of people talk about hydrogen pellets. Yeah, I've done that. Didn't notice too much about it. Shilajit is also really good. I didn't mention that one.
BM: I'm a sparkling water person. That's it. That's all. On a plane, little...I'm not sure if I'm supposed to have the ice cubes, but throw a few ice cubes in there and let's make it a party, right?
SS: Yeah. That's the best. Feel like you're having a gin and tonic, but you're not, it's just sparkling water. That's a great thing to do. So anyways, I'm in that airport... two hours. I'll ground out a few times. You're always safe if you hang out in a bathroom. There's gonna be very minimal EMF in a bathroom, right? I know it sounds crazy. Yeah, so even if you're in the lounge and you wanna hang out... pick a corner, pick the bathroom if you wanna just get away from it all. The airports are actually worse than the plane itself, really.
BM: Wow. It's crazy. Is it because of the amount of people?
SSL The amount of people ... just everything that's going on ... concentration, and also... all the networks that they set up, the 5G, there's so much Wi-Fi pounding in there. It's a lot. Every time I've tested it, it's like off the charts. The planes are actually decent. I mean, they're not too bad.
BM: Will you wear your certain clothing... your... beanie?
SS: Oh, we forgot to mention that. Yes, definitely I usually wear the beanie. And let me back up and say something. There was a point in my life when... Okay, so I went through this whole health crisis. I was actually in the hospital when I was... This was 2007, and I went in there and they gave me a 1% chance of living, right? And-
BM: Holy cow.
SS: Yeah, it's kinda crazy. I mean, I literally was, like, 40 kilos, which is, like, 84 pounds. And they said, "This guy's not gonna make it through the night." So like, wow. That's how bad my health crisis was at one point, seriously.
BM: Wow.
SS: So in that moment, I mean, I got through that whole thing. I had a little bit of a near-death experience. But as I went through that over the next few days, it came to me ...that all I wanted to do after I got out of this was, one, travel the rest of my life, and two, help people. Those were the two things that came to me, right?
BM: I love that.
SS: And I've stuck with that to this day. Like, that's been my mantra, you know? And yes, I've had sensitive health up and down. That was a really tough period. But what I wanna tell people is, look If I can do it, and I do it as much as I do, you can. Anybody can. Yeah, and don't get fearful... I know it's easy to, on one trip, two trips, whatever. You can do it. The body is resilient. And it can handle it.
BM: And this, all of this, the grounding and the protection from EMF, this is all part of your, I mean, you look incredibly healthy today, and obviously you continue to... travel all over the globe all the time, and it's not affecting your health in a negative way.
SS: Yeah, because... but it gives me that feeling of like, life is great. Life is worth living. You know? That excitement, and if I don't have that, sometimes my health goes backwards. It's like I gotta... follow that purpose. But I don't have a family, you know, I don't have certain things where like, I come home to that kind of thing. So it's like I have something else that's dear to my heart, right?
BM: Yeah. I love that.
SS: Yeah... it's important. So anyways, we were back on the plane with the scarves and the hat, and the thing was, is that after I got out of the hospital, I got turned onto grounding, and that was my thing. It was like I had been searching for my health for many years, spent a ton of money, and as soon as I found the ground, which was free, I got better. Like, I really got better. So it was an epiphany for, like, the grounding, and also to mitigate some of these EMFs, 'cause when I was in the hospital, people would come in with phones or somebody showed me a computer with photos. I literally felt sick. Like, almost I wanted to throw up. So I knew then that when the body's in a weakened state, your field is low, you really can't handle these electromagnetic fields. But when you're strong and resilient, you're gonna be fine. Really, you're gonna be okay.
BM: Yeah. And then a lot of the tips that we're talking about today are ways to help your body protect itself-
SS: Totally.
BM: ... and stay energized so that you can travel, and you can get to those happy places and be able to be grounded and in touch with nature and all the things that your body thrives on really, right?
SS: Yeah. Yeah. Well said.
BM: I love that. That's fantastic. So when you land in Thailand, what are the next steps? Where... are you going? And then...I'd love to talk about the hotel. Maybe give people a little-
SS: Yeah, let's do that…
BM: ... insight, some of your thoughts there.
SS: Yep. Same thing. Get out of the airport with your bag. While you're waiting for the taxi -or you make sure you call a good Uber, grab a tree, a leaf, a piece of grass, just touch it, okay? Just do it... for like as long as you can wait for. 'Cause the sooner you get grounded, especially when you're doing international time zones, your body has an innate intelligence. It immediately recalibrates to kind of that area. I firmly believe this.
BM: Well, that's phenomenal.
SS: It's a really interesting thing. So I think the grounding's the number one thing for jet lag, and there's... companies you see all the time trying to come out with products here and there. I let all that stuff go. Just get grounded. Now look, if it's cold and it's the winter or whatever it is, the number one thing you need to do is you get to your hotel and you take a shower, a long shower, or you take a bath. That's the best.
Now, with Phuket, I get in at 7:00 AM. I'm going right to that hotel at 8:00. The first thing I do after I handle a check-in is I put my feet right on the beach. And I'll probably put my head under the water. The number one gold standard… is this water behind me. Sea, ocean ... you're great. You will discharge everything and immediately get grounded. And what happens is, when you're going through this travel program, the cars, the airplanes, et cetera, you know, the scanners, everything else, your blood becomes hyper-coagulated. What it means is the blood becomes thick, and that's what the research shows on electromagnetics is… that's kinda what it does. So grounding is the antidote. Grounding thins the blood. That's what it does. And this is the study that my father did, which I believe is like, Nobel Prize material because when you're grounded, you increase this thing called zeta potential, which means the charge between the red blood cells, it becomes stronger, and your blood cells literally repel each other so that they flow through the veins, capillaries. It's a fascinating piece of science.
BM: Right. And that's the whole concept around reducing inflammation. So the inflammation is the blood getting thicker, and then reducing that allows it to thin it out and flow through your body.
SS: Exactly, Billy.
BM: And that's what makes you feel better, right?
SS: Yeah, yeah. You're putting the fire out. That's it.
BM: I love that. I love that. That's actually fascinating. I'm learning, I'm learning as we go here, Step. This is phenomenal. What about...any things you look for in a hotel? Like when you're looking to book a hotel, are there considerations like you had with the plane? ...in terms of things you look out for?
Yeah, absolutely. I'm kind of a strange traveler, first of all. I mean, I rarely book anything in advance. That's number one for me. I actually like to go to a place first, sniff it out, literally see it, see if I like the energy behind it, see how it's laid out. And then... I always look at a room first before I take it, more because I'm sensitive to mold. That's another big thing.
Yeah. And I wanna tell people this. Like, if you do have electro hypersensitivity, EHS, it's usually because of a few factors. One, you had mold exposure in your life that was pretty significant, and the body hasn't been able to fix itself. You know, immune system dysfunction a little bit from that, and I went through that as a child. Two, you had a head injury. I also had one of those, and I was really sensitive after that. Those are the two things, and then three, if you had Lyme disease because somehow the same detoxification pathway, if you can believe that EMF gets detoxified, seems to kind of run through this… system. And yeah, if you've been overtaxed and overburdened, especially if you've been, like, too much heavy metals. That's another issue I had... way too much mercury taken out...16 fillings taken out. I mean, all these things add up, and I believe that's why I went through the health crisis I talked about.
And once again, if I can do it, you can do it because- the message is like, yeah...we live in a toxic world, right? So much. This is what my father would say all the time. He's like, "Look, you live in a toxic world. Don't let it bother you, but you gotta be smart about it," right?
BM: Yeah. Like, yeah, don't be a fool. Just be smart. That's it. Yeah.
SS: You know, you gotta choose, you gotta really make your choices wisely. Okay, so back to the hotel. So I prefer to stay in, like, boutiquey small hotels. Why? Because, look, you're gonna stay at one of these name brand big Marriotts or wherever. Okay, they're easy, I get it, but the thing is, they spend a lot of money on EMF infrastructure, right? Like Wi-Fi build-out. It's much harder to disable and detect. The smaller boutiquey hotels, they're not gonna spend that kind of money. They are gonna rig up a different type of system that's usually in the hallways, and you can see where the routers are when you're walking through.
So that's another thing. When you go in to choose your room, ... you look up in the hallway, and you can see if there's a Wi-Fi router there. Great. Don't take the room if the doorway is right there. Try to get the room that's down the hall, you know?
BM: Down the hall from the router. Yeah, exactly. Be as far away from that thing as you can.
SS: Now, another reason I moved to Europe is because they have better standards on Wi-Fi, let's say, signals strength. The US doesn't care. They do not have your health in mind.
These big hotels, they will blast the highest amount they can so you, that you have good conductivity. In Europe, they're under regulations not to do this.
BM: Got it. Well, that's interesting.
SS: So that's another thing. When you travel in Europe, you're a little bit safer. Now, look, the rooms are smaller, more compact. If you get into a room, the first thing I do is, there's two things to look for. One, you look at the TV. So behind the TV there's usually a router or there can be something embedded into the wall. Sometimes you can disable this just by pressing the button or you literally unplug it. Okay? And you can tell by either the... light that'll go off, or I always travel with a meter, that's another huge thing, and I have my meter and I have it on, I unplug it. If it goes blank, I'm safe. Great, done. Check out, plug it back in, no-brainer.
Okay…next thing - the phone. There's always the phone right next to your head. Terrible. Usually that phone is blasting. It's usually either a cordless phone or it's with an ethernet cable that sometimes broadcasts the Wi-Fi, sometimes. Just pull the plug out - done.
BM: Take it out.
SS: And then if you wanna be extreme, which I am, you know, I do it all. But it's for your health, so….You find the circuit breaker, and at night you shut it down. Okay? You just shut the whole thing down, and that's an awesome thing to do in your house anyways when you... wanna sleep. I know that's a little extreme for people, I get it, but I do it. It won't disable the Wi-Fi always, 'cause sometimes that's hardwired into the entire electrical system of the hotel.
BM: Got it. Makes sense. Yeah. It's interesting... The other day we had a woman talk about how in the US they're putting routers under the bed. Right under the middle of the bed.
SS: No, they are.
BM: It's, like, crazy.
SS: It's unbelievable. That's why you need a meter. You need a seeing eye dog.
BM: Yeah. To give you a heads up.
SS: It'll give you a heads up. It really will. So that's critical. Invest in one of those, learn how to use it, and you'll be much better off.
BM: I love it. And I love how we've talked a bit about how grounding has helped you as you recover, right? But this is not just your story, it's everyone's story, right? Grounding can help you recover from flights, from bad energy, from the vehicles. To your point, the electrical vehicles, I'm with you on that. We don't even know what's going on there yet, right? Yep. I mean, it's like one big... so broadly, I think that's one of the themes that we're excited about too, that grounding actually helps people recover from travel, whether it be better sleep, better physical reduction of inflammation, other things like that, stress, et cetera. I mean, this is basically your mantra. Is that fair?
SS: Yeah, absolutely. I live on airplane mode. I really do. My phone is probably on airplane mode 80% of the time. I've set my businesses up that I make phone calls when I wanna make them. I don't like being available, having the phone on waiting for a call. I just don't like that. And I turn it off, of course, every single night, make sure the Bluetooth, the Wi-Fi is turned off. They're always emitting a signal. Especially never plug in the phone and then use it. That's one of the worst things you can do. That just really...is an amplified situation.
But getting grounded is one of the best things you can do. It's why... I wrote the book with Sharon Whiteley and my father, and the science is fabulous. And I can go into it. I love going into the science, but it's just so intuitive. It's so simple. It's so primordial. And... here's just a simple thing is...we're electromagnetic beings. You have a magnetic field. You were designed as this body, this system, to be in touch with nature. That's how we were originally built, this primal being. And when you're in the forest or you're walking down these paths or I'm here by the sea, I'm even hearing the sounds, these are all frequencies. The sunlight, it's really a frequency. It's energy.
So these are communicating with my nervous system, and that's the critical thing. Everything comes down to the nervous system. Nervous system regulates almost everything, and I want my nervous system to be harmonized, and that's what nature does. It's like you can't even explain the intelligent communication that's going on between my nervous system, your nervous system, and the nature around us. And then when we're in a manmade environment, the body has to recalibrate, and the nervous system is intelligent enough to do this. It's an amazing, fascinating piece of technological equipment. Think about the body this way. It will recalibrate, but you will go through a certain period of like this. Just some people are way more sensitive than others. I am one of them, okay? And that's why I sympathize with a lot of people that struggle and a lot of people that have health issues, 'cause I've been there. And that's my thing. I just wanna help people feel better, because when you feel good, man, life is good. That's it.
BM: Yeah. And when you feel good and you get to go to all these different places...that your heart wants you to go to ... and you feel good there too, that's why we're here, right? That's the whole purpose for living.
SS: Why we're here. Yeah. Live your life, you know? Live it. Yeah, right.
BM: I love it. I love it. This has been fantastic, Step. I think that from my perspective, it's like, you know, gave them the roadmap, right? Like you got a cheat sheet for how you can…face your fears in some ways. And I love that last part...nature harmonizes your nervous system. That's, right? That's really the key to this whole program. So if we can get it right, and I appreciate you and I appreciate the fact that you really wanna try to help people and that's what this is all about. Thank you so much for your time.
SS: Billy, thanks. Really appreciate doing this with you today. Yeah.